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Wednesday, December 12, 2018


Re: CQD answer published Friday, November 30, 2018 -Pool Eq GFCI Protection

Gentlemen: I remember Charlie and used to have many conversations with him at IAEI functions over the last 25+ years. We miss him. I am an avid reader of Code question and would like to offer a possible correction to your answer of Thursday, Nov 29, 2018. My understanding of Article 680.23(A)(3) is that an underwater luminaire for a pool must have GFCI protection “in the branch circuit” and that’s the way I’ve been teaching it in my classes. This is different that what is called out for other equipment like the pool cover, pump motors, etc. If the feeder for the panel is GFCI protected it would require an additional GFCI device in the “branch circuit” for the underwater luminaire even if the branch circuit originated from a panel that was protected by a GFCI Main. Thanks for the fine job you are doing for the industry. George Little

2) Good morning. Please correct me if I’m wrong, But in regards to the answer given concerning the GFCI protection for pool equipment being located in the feeder for a pool sub panel. If there are underwater Luminaires installed you must pay attention to 680.23(A)(3). Gfci protection for luminaires must be located in the branch circuit. Barry Wilbur



Hey George and Barry thanks for your comments and the kind words. You are both correct the GFCI protection for underwater luminaires must be in the branch circuit as stated in 680.23(A)(3). For other pool equipment it can be in the feeder. We miss Charlie also.

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